There is a fine line between being a total sociopathic douche, and simply having a strong masculine frame. Let’s delve more into this distinction.
Commenter Wingwoman has an interesting reaction to the manosphere:
The worst way to lose your virginity is to get raped.
Encouraging douche behavior and self promoting products that don’t work makes most of the sphere look bad. Speaking in generalities, being hostile to people who even disagree slightly are routine.
I think some good could come from these blogs but it often turns into the nasty side (people with serious possibly mental (personality disorder or psychopaths) or criminal issues) or impractical side(so cons thinking everybody should be a virgin never get divorced etc…).Hyper masculine advocating attracts the kind of people who are harmed by helping their victims get away from them.
Have never figured out why the racist show up a lot except they have some cross over beliefs that correlate with the others.
Thanks for the comments, wingwomen. I like when people not from the sphere post thoughtful comments about the sphere, as it provides a window into the mindset of people who just stumble across the sphere.
Allow me to agree and then respectfully disagree with some of your points. I agree that rape is probably the shittiest way to lose your v-card. I am definitely aware of this fact since by the feminist definition I was raped to lose mine (was black-out drunk, girl was older, I did not remember consenting). And I agree with you that there is some major groupthink going on in the sphere at times. And I agree with you that the racist argument is stupid.
Now I will respond to a few of your points I take issue with:
“Encouraging douche behavior and self promoting products that don’t work makes most of the sphere look bad.”
Most manosphere blogs do not promote any products. And most of the products that are promoted actually do work. Are you disagreeing with ‘game’ as a functioning method for self-improvement? And saying that ‘game’ means ‘acting like a douche’ is a misinterpretation, in general. It is a guide to self-improvement and acting more confident.
Hyper masculine advocating attracts the kind of people who are harmed by helping their victims get away from them.
I don’t understand the point you are trying to make here. But I will say that the manosphere does encourage males to become more masculine. This is attractive to a lot of guys because inherently males are demonized by the mainstream media. The manosphere is about learning not to feel shameful about that masculinity and become masculine in a positive way. We’re not trying to act douchy, just…more masculine. Kind of ridiculous that we have to relearn it.
I will say this about the current state of masculinity: we have not agreed on a simplistic version of strong masculinity that is comfortable for all men in the 21st century.
Question. Would you, as a women, be attracted at all to a man who was smaller, physically weaker, lower-status, and a little bit dumber than you?
If you answer yes, that’s another debate we can have. But the point is, the manosphere is about men trying to regain all of these characteristics. They need to be such a way in order to mate with, hook up with, and marry a good woman. Some commenters, reviewers, and bloggers get a bit rambunctious at times talking about how to manipulate women, but they don’t speak for everyone.
Yours Truly and My Favorite,